David Herbert Lawrence

'But leaving me apart, Rupert; do you think the children are better,

richer, happier, for all this knowledge; do you really think they are?

Or is it better to leave them untouched, spontaneous. Hadn't they

better be animals, simple animals, crude, violent, ANYTHING, rather

than this self-consciousness, this incapacity to be spontaneous.'

They thought she had finished. But with a queer rumbling in her throat

she resumed, 'Hadn't they better be anything than grow up crippled,

crippled in their souls, crippled in their feelings--so thrown back--so

turned back on themselves--incapable--' Hermione clenched her fist like

one in a trance--'of any spontaneous action, always deliberate, always

burdened with choice, never carried away.'

Again they thought she had finished. But just as he was going to reply,

she resumed her queer rhapsody--'never carried away, out of themselves,

always conscious, always self-conscious, always aware of themselves.

Isn't ANYTHING better than this? Better be animals, mere animals with

no mind at all, than this, this NOTHINGNESS--'

'But do you think it is knowledge that makes us unliving and

selfconscious?' he asked irritably.

She opened her eyes and looked at him slowly.

'Yes,' she said. She paused, watching him all the while, her eyes

vague. Then she wiped her fingers across her brow, with a vague

weariness. It irritated him bitterly. 'It is the mind,' she said, 'and

that is death.' She raised her eyes slowly to him: 'Isn't the mind--'

she said, with the convulsed movement of her body, 'isn't it our death?

Doesn't it destroy all our spontaneity, all our instincts? Are not the

young people growing up today, really dead before they have a chance to

live?'

'Not because they have too much mind, but too little,' he said

brutally.

'Are you SURE?' she cried. 'It seems to me the reverse. They are

overconscious, burdened to death with consciousness.'

'Imprisoned within a limited, false set of concepts,' he cried.

But she took no notice of this, only went on with her own rhapsodic

interrogation.

'When we have knowledge, don't we lose everything but knowledge?' she

asked pathetically. 'If I know about the flower, don't I lose the

flower and have only the knowledge? Aren't we exchanging the substance

for the shadow, aren't we forfeiting life for this dead quality of

knowledge? And what does it mean to me, after all? What does all this

knowing mean to me? It means nothing.'

'You are merely making words,' he said; 'knowledge means everything to

you. Even your animalism, you want it in your head. You don't want to

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